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Look at that.

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Oh, my God!

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I just don't believe that an ex person would be able to do that.

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Something is really strange.

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I'm actually getting a small spike over here.

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We're gonna do an EVP session.

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Oh, cough.

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Eerie.

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I'm hearing footsteps.

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Kill the lights.

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Hey, guys!

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Did you find something?

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Yeah, I did.

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Oh, my goodness.

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There's a flying saucer.

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Getting a series of lights right there.

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Oh, my God.

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What the heck is happening?

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Oh, my God.

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Oh, my God.

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That's a flyer.

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Get down, Jim.

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Move it.

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Move it.

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Move it.

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Move it.

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Move it.

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Move it.

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So, let's get started.

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Well, I've got another UFO video,

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but this one's a little bit different.

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This is a UFO that is abducting an aircraft.

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Oh, my God!

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Watch what happens after it makes contact.

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Okay, what it does after it makes contact,

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it drops down for a second,

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and then shoots up.

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Does that seem unusual?

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I guess it depends on the phenomena we're talking about.

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I mean, if this makes it look like the weight of it was pushing the plane down.

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Was there a report of a plane that mysteriously disappeared over Southern California?

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I didn't hear anything about this,

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and it's not like it's flying over the Bermuda Triangle.

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You know what I like most about this video?

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The UFO flies like a hummingbird.

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Well, it sounds pretty much like a cool concept,

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but it's probably CGI.

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Let's see what else we have today.

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I have a great video. It comes from Mike Geyer.

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He and his friends have a really interesting hobby.

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It's called creeping.

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They sneak into scary places just for the thrill of it.

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I've actually dubbed them creepers.

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So on one of their creeping expeditions,

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they find themselves in abandoned hospital right here in LA, Linda Vista.

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Hospitals were now in the area for being super haunted.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure.

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I think it would be a lot of fun to go run around in a so-called haunted hospital,

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but there is a possibility that these guys just put something there.

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I think it's worth our investigation.

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I think this is pretty good.

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I think we might be able to pull something more out of this video,

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but why don't we see what other things we have today to look at?

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Shilan, I'm excited to hear what you have.

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I brought you guys a case.

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It's really gruesome, so prepare yourselves.

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It's all about cattle mutilations.

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Now, down in San Luis, Colorado,

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there have been four reported cases within a single month.

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Now, this story came from the Colorado Springs News,

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so let's go ahead and play it.

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Strange things have been happening here.

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When I come in that gate, I'm just hoping there's nothing any more dead animals.

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This calf was found mutilated on Monday.

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That's mutilated?

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The thing is torn apart.

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Another strange case in the San Luis Valley.

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A lot of people have reported that right before they find a calf that's been mutilated,

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Black ops helicopters, other airplanes, other, you know, flying objects.

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and he sent me over some stills from the actual calf mutilation that he investigated.

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He reported seeing no blood, no depressions in the ground, absolutely no organs.

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As you can see from the hollowed out rib cage.

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Looking at the carcass, it looks more surgical than savage.

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Not only is it unexplainable, we have an eyewitness.

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Chuck actually said that the rancher would allow us to be on his ranch.

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It just seems like an amazing case to investigate.

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So, Chilan, excellent research.

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I think this is a really good case.

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This is kind of a fun one.

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Swamp guy Dave Shealy actually caught the legendary Skunk Ape on camera, or so he claims.

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Take a look at it, some way you think.

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So, the Skunk Ape is just Bigfoot.

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It's the Florida version of Bigfoot, yes.

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Wait a second, what is this?

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If there's one thing that I believe in, it's Bigfoot.

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And so, anytime we get any somewhat compelling video, I think it's worth an investigation.

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Look at this guy and tell me that this doesn't remind you of someone who kind of has almost an attitude with his walk.

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He's like this, he's like, look everyone, Patterson film, look at me.

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It's been seen by numerous, numerous people.

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But there are other witnesses, then that gives a little more credibility.

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I mean, I'm interested in cases like this.

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I love cryptoids.

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Look at the way that he runs.

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He runs just like a larger guy would run.

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I don't think that this video is compelling.

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But wait a second, this is supposed to be Marsh, right?

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So, that's really hard to walk through.

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So, a human would have a hard time.

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It's like you're sloshing through it.

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Well, that's a good point, Bill.

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I spent a lot of time in the Everglades and we went throughout the expanse of the park.

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And there are a lot of marshy areas.

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There are alligators everywhere and it wouldn't be easy to just stride along this way.

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What do you say we shelf it for now and see what else we have today?

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So, J.L., I think that brings us to your case in Indiana.

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There's a woman named Caroline Milligan who was suspecting some paranormal activity in an old cemetery near her home.

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So, one night she went out there with a team of paranormal researchers and they found a very curious EMF spike near a tombstone of an old civil war soldier named James.

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And they left the cemetery definitely feeling like they had experienced something.

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They didn't exactly know what.

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But when she went home and scoured the tapes, they found a very interesting image.

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That was so bad.

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We wind that.

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What was that?

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Now that went completely undetected by these researchers that were there that night.

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It went right through them.

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There used to be a railroad crossing there and so some people call it a ghost train.

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They think that it might be a train passing through.

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I'm really excited about this case.

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I mean, it looks like it's good video.

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It's got a good story with it.

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I'm thinking of experiments already that we could replicate.

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I've already contacted Caroline Milligan and she is more than happy to talk to us.

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So this is a great case.

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I think we all agree.

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Let's just lock this one in.

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Let's do it.

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We still need to choose our other case.

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What do you think from the ones that we've seen?

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Catamutilation.

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Catamutilation.

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It was recent.

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We have a witness.

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I say we do catamutilation.

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I really like the Skunkape.

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I like the Skunkape too.

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But I do feel we have more things going for us with the catamutilation.

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Well, let's save it then.

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Let's put it off for now and let's do catamutilation.

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Bill, Chilan and Larry, why don't you guys go to Colorado?

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That works for me.

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And Indiana, Gio and Austin, I'm going to need your help with some stunts.

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I'm thinking of...

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Coming up on Fact or Faked Paranormal Files.

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What is that?

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When it came out of focus, it looked pretty good.

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We saw footsteps.

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Was that you?

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Guys, camera three just completely went dead.

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Larry, guys!

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Did you find something?

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It's all about catamutilations.

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There have been four reported cases within a single month.

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Let's do catamutilation.

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There's a woman who was suspecting some paranormal activity in an old cemetery near her home.

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All right, let's pack it up and go.

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All right, guys.

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We're here in Indiana, heading to Fisher's.

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Caroline was out here on her own paranormal investigation,

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trying to see if she could capture anything.

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She didn't even realize that this image was there until she went back and reviewed it.

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I think that the cemetery is going to be a perfect place for a ghost hunt.

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A witness, Caroline, is waiting for us at the cemetery, and she's going to give us a tour.

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Mr. Caroline.

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How are you doing? It's a pleasure. I'm Austin.

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I'm thinking.

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Nice to meet you.

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Let's start from the beginning.

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You know, what brought you out to the cemetery here?

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You know, all the activity we were having in our house when we used to live out this way.

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I mean, we had everything from footsteps to actually door knobs turning.

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So we ticked something off.

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During the video, nobody felt anything, saw anything.

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I mean, the only person you see in the frame of the camera actually appeared to just, like, nothing happened.

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Didn't notice it.

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So we came out here, and we're just walking through just talking.

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We didn't see anything, didn't feel anything as we're walking through that particular area.

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And it was on playback. Here it was.

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To me, it almost looks like it would be like the caretaker.

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Wow. Take us to the woods.

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Caroline, recreate for me the night.

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Well, we will come in to see if we could get what we thought was in our house.

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We could catch them actually kind of here on their home turf.

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I know Indiana had an overwhelmingly large amount of Civil War soldiers, right?

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But there's only one that's buried here.

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We started doing research and found out that he was buried not too far away from where we lived.

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What's the name of this soldier?

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His name's James.

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Last name's Payne.

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He's the only headstone that points that way.

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And if you actually were to follow that headstone, it would go into the back of our old house.

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This is it.

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So this is James' headstone right here.

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Yep. Yes, it is.

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Company 39th, that's the truth.

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So what exactly do you know about James?

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He's classified as a deserter on his draft card.

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And how did you find this out?

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I went down to Indianapolis and I was able to look up his draft card and show that he was a deserter.

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Thank you so much, Caroline.

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It's been a pleasure.

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I think we start our experiments, then we break out our equipment and we spend the night here and see what happens.

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Alright guys, let's get started.

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Tonight we've prepared three experiments to recreate what Caroline captured in the cemetery.

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We have a mechanical experiment.

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We have a natural occurrence.

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We have a human experiment to try and explain what happened that night.

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Hi guys, I got my helmet.

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I'm going to grab the ATV to get ready for the first experiment.

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First experiment we're doing, we're testing a theory that people think it was just a vehicle just driving past the camera.

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I'm going to get on an ATV.

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I'm going to haul as fast as I can right by the camera, see if it looks anything like the video.

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I'm not really sure what this is going to look like, but my feeling is that we'll probably be able to make out the ATV and Austin's body on our camera.

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But if we get him zooming past at a certain speed, then maybe it will look like a blur.

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I'm going to say that the camera person was right about here.

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Let's give him enough room between here and the tree.

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So let's face it directly toward this tree.

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That's not right, right there.

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I mean that's where I would hold it.

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We're going to take our tripod and camera and try to match about the same height to where that was.

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Alright, what do you think, Ben? Are we ready to go?

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Let's call Austin and see.

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Hey Austin, start your engine.

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Ready in three, two, one, go!

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The original Caroline video, you can see the outline of the main light, you know what they're describing as the lantern.

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But there's two other faint lights here and you can actually almost see all the way through it. It's transparent.

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Let's play here and try and compare the visuals.

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That light we're seeing is a reflection of your shirt. You're not seeing anything else at this point.

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Well you're seeing the headlights of the ATV which are much, much brighter than this.

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And on top of all of that, this ATV is not the quietest thing in the world.

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I mean did you notice me going by?

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Yeah.

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I think somebody else would notice an ATV on the video as well.

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Yeah, completely.

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Assuming that this video is a real representation of what happened, I would have to absolutely rule out that this was any type of vehicle.

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It's just way too noisy, it would have been seen and I just don't think it's possible.

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There's a theory that this image was actually a naturally occurring dust level.

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And that there are flashlights of the people walking through reflected of this dust level coming through.

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So what we've got is this dolly track used in motion pictures.

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Then our dolly is going to be a high powered fan.

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Let's get it on the tracks.

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Let it be known that Austin still plays the dollies.

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To the day I die.

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What we're going to do is we're going to put Fuller's Earth underneath the actual track.

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And Gael will be pulling it along.

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And as it goes over it, I'll be back here filming.

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And hopefully we'll get it to suck up enough of this very fine dirt with a reflected light.

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And when it passes through, we'll see the same thing that we saw in the video.

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Looks good, looks good. Let's power up the fan.

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Hey Austin, kill the lights.

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Got it.

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Camera's rolling.

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Fan is ready.

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Okay, go ahead J-Al.

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We're going to put Fuller's Earth underneath the actual track.

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Hopefully we'll see the same thing that we saw in the video.

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Kill the lights.

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Camera's rolling.

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Let's power up the fan.

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Okay, go ahead J-Al.

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Nice, nice.

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How to look.

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The whole kind of plume lingered in the air quite a bit.

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The video when it comes by, it appears and then it disappears.

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This stuff is taking a long time to settle back down.

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That much dust up in the air, you're going to see some reaction from the person as well.

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Anyone who's walking along, you would think your natural reaction is to kind of shield your eyes.

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Or kind of move just side like that.

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I just don't think that it could have occurred here in the first place.

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And secondly, if it were an actual dust devil, you would expect the trees to react.

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Maybe the clothes on the person.

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That's a lot of wind that's coming by.

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I just didn't see that.

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I think it's pretty safe to say that this was not a dust devil.

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Man-made or natural.

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We can't completely dismiss that this could be a hoax.

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One of the best ways that we could try to replicate this is by building curtain of water vapor.

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Let's see if we can get this balanced up here and then we'll tie it down.

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You really can't see water vapor in the air unless some type of light is projected onto it.

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That possibly could explain what happened in the video because you're not seeing it there until this light passes through.

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What we've got here is a high pressure water pump that we've connected to a water source out on the street.

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We have PVC pipe and we're going to push water through the PVC pipe and water is going to come out the misting nozzles.

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Connected to these misters on the top, we've got some leaf blowers which will help push the water down and make it to a solid curtain.

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We remembered something that Caroline had told us.

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She believed that what she saw in the video was a person.

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It was not a train.

336
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Austin is an athletic guy.

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We thought that he would be able to run as fast as we needed him to run through that mist and try and create the effect that we were looking for.

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It's really important that you get far enough back and get enough speed so that when you pass Gael and myself that you're clipping.

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Got you all framed up.

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I'm rolling.

341
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Okay, Austin, power up your light.

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Go!

343
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Wow!

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You know what happened is when it came out of focus, it looked pretty good.

345
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What did the light look like as it was passing?

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Kind of like a orb.

347
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Kind of like a blob that we were holding at waist level.

348
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I'm still not quite sure that on the video it's going to look as transparent as whatever object Caroline captured.

349
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I say we break out our IR cameras and see what other kind of explanation we can find that's actually paranormal.

350
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Well, let's wire it up, huh?

351
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Let's go.

352
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Our attempts to recreate the phantom as an elaborate hoax or a natural occurrence weren't entirely convincing.

353
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So now it's time to look at a paranormal investigation.

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We're going to start by setting up our four infrared cameras and doing a sweep of the cemetery to find out what's really happening here.

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How's it looking?

356
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It's looking great. We've got them all set up, recording.

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So number one is where Caroline videotaped the event.

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Number two is that gate that's inside the cemetery.

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Number three is down in the ravine.

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And number four is over James Grave.

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Ready to get spooked?

362
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Hell's do it.

363
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Hell's go.

364
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Look at this one.

365
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Zebulon Hartman, 1807, 1843.

366
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Guys, camera three just completely went dead.

367
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Rain three just went completely blank. It's out.

368
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My walkie is going out as well.

369
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What happened?

370
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Something is really strange.

371
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I try not to blow things out of proportion, but when I'm walking around, I'm hearing little bits of like leaves, like a moving.

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We've been out here a while now, and I can't help it feel that somebody has been walking beside us ever since we started our first sweep.

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I'm hearing leaves rustling on the ground when there's no wind and it kind of seems like they're footsteps.

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And it sounds as if somebody is keeping pace with us with their footsteps.

375
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Maybe we should look for any leaves that move from those footsteps you've been hearing.

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You see that?

377
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What is that?

378
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Those leaves just move.

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I can't help it feel that somebody has been walking beside us ever since we started our first sweep.

380
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What is that?

381
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Did those leaves just move?

382
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That's really, really strange.

383
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We have to try and see if we can capture it on your camera.

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So I'm going to zoom in pretty good, and we're just going to crouch down, okay?

385
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As low as we can.

386
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Now you focus wherever you focus that light, I'm going to try to follow.

387
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Be really careful here. This is pretty steep.

388
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It didn't happen that time.

389
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It's like I turned my light on and now it's not happening.

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That was really strange.

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I was like, I'm going to go back and look for the leaves.

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I turned my light on and now it's not happening.

393
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That was really strange.

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It may have been an insect.

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I'm thinking the only real possible explanation is that it was some type of insect that's moving underneath the undergrowth here.

396
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So what we're going to do now is we're going to go over to James Payne's grave site.

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Is it possible that the ghostly figure that was captured on Caroline's video is James Payne?

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We're going to do an EVP session and see if he's trying to communicate with us.

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The night vision camera is close enough we'll be able to detect if any individual leaf moves.

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We've got our EVP audio recorder right here.

401
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We're going to sit down. Let's do a session.

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Ready guys?

403
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James, was it you who was in the video that we were investigating tonight?

404
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James, Ben and I had some odd experiences tonight here in the cemetery.

405
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We felt that someone led us to your grave site was at you.

406
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We saw footsteps or what looked like them was at you.

407
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Are you still frozen from Colorado?

408
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It was chilly.

409
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You battled some extreme temperatures there.

410
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First of all, I'd like to tell you a little bit about Indiana and what happened with us.

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So our first experiment with the ATV, we couldn't replicate the transparency.

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So we moved on and we tried creating our own dust devil and this is what happened.

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You see that we're creating a lot of wind and leaves and things are moving.

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And in the original you didn't see any of that.

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The final experiment that we tried is creating a miscreen.

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Our cameras were focused on the light that was coming through and the rest of it just didn't quite look right.

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What we decided to do at this point is to do an EVP session at the grave site.

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In this soundbite, you'll hear Austin talking and you'll hear Austin cough.

419
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Now what came after that was not any of us.

420
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Did you guys all hear that?

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He coughs and you hear cough.

422
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You hear a voice repeat cough.

423
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Yes.

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And then you hear a deep sigh after.

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So eerie.

426
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I know, that's weird.

427
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That is cool.

428
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It's very strange.

429
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Some very strange things were happening that night.

430
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What do you think of our efforts in replicating it?

431
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I don't think you were able to exactly replicate the videos, but you were still able to obtain good evidence of the paranormal.

432
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The efforts were great in the experiments, but I think that this video is a fact we did not debunk the video.

433
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Hey, just like I originally said, perfect setting for a ghost story.

434
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I agree.

435
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I think this could very well be a paranormal case.

436
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We weren't able to replicate the video.

437
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I think that there is something still unexplained in the cemetery of Indiana.

438
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So that was Indiana.

439
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What happened in Colorado?

440
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Well, if you remember the news segment that G-Lion brought us about the four catamutilations in San Luis, Colorado, we had a compelling video and a seemingly credible witness.

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Here's what happened.

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San Luis Valley is the largest alpine valley in the world.

443
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So this area was founded as a cattle rancher community.

444
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It still is a cattle rancher community, and they've been having these loss of their livestock now for a number of years.

445
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The rancher actually reported seeing some unexplained lights in the sky right before all these cattle mutilations happened.

446
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Interesting. That brings in maybe extraterrestrial possibilities.

447
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Maybe it is actually a UFO.

448
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Chuck Zakowski is the urophologist, and he's been meeting us on the outskirts of town.

449
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Chuck was there on the scene when the cattle were found.

450
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He took those photos. He's the one that's been studying catamutilations and UFOs.

451
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So he's a very, very important person here.

452
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Hey Chuck.

453
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Bill Murphy.

454
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How's it going? Chuck Zakowski.

455
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Yeah, nice to meet you.

456
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Now we've got a pretty interesting case here. I'm glad you've come out for this.

457
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You know, the ranch is just down the street a little bit.

458
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I can show you. I'll take you down there.

459
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I'll be heading off in that direction.

460
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Okay. All right.

461
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All right. Perfect.

462
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Mr. Sanchez, I'm Larry. Good to meet you.

463
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Mr. Sanchez, I'm Chilan. Nice to meet you.

464
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Hi, I'm Bill.

465
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I guess our first question would be, how did you happen to stumble upon these cows that were mutilated?

466
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I just came on to check on my cows. I happened to find those two.

467
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Daniel, can you show us where it happened?

468
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Yes.

469
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Hold them.

470
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All right.

471
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Okay, this is the area right here where the calf was found.

472
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Where did you find the carcass when you were first arrived on the scene?

473
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It was actually laying right here on the tree.

474
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That's the first thing we looked at to see whether or not it was dropped.

475
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000
It was almost as if someone laid it here.

476
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Both of you guys saw this calf and the carcass.

477
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What do you think caused it?

478
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I mean, were there certain incisions? Were they surgical? Was it clean?

479
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Was there any blood, any fur, any tracks around?

480
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When you just see an animal laying there, completely void of its internal organs, gut it out.

481
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And there's no other debris anywhere around on the ground.

482
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No blood, no blood markings on the hide.

483
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Then you're going, hmm, this doesn't look like a known predator kill.

484
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This falls into an unknown death.

485
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So when did you last see these calves alive?

486
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The day before.

487
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I usually come pretty often to check on the cows.

488
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Previous to this morning of walking upon this cow,

489
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had you seen anything out of the ordinary?

490
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,000
Well, in August I saw some lights over in the other place.

491
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We come out of the mountains.

492
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Really?

493
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Really comes out of the mountains.

494
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Like from that hill there.

495
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Like a kid would come up.

496
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
And did it move? Did it follow?

497
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
It moved real, real slow.

498
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000
We learned Manu Sanchez witnessed an unexplained light that was hovering over the mountain

499
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000
where the light ended up as we discovered the mulet of cow.

500
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
But the carcass disappeared soon after.

501
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Our plan is to sweep the area, look for paranormal evidence such as unusual magnetic fields

502
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
or even traces of radiation.

503
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000
We also hope to find remnants of the cow that we can have tested for abnormalities.

504
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
I have the EMF reader. You have the guy who can counter.

505
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,000
We want to check for different levels of radiation, magnetic field changes, all of that stuff.

506
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
We'll start out at the Cypress Tree that Manu showed us.

507
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000
That's where he found the fourth calf.

508
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000
I want to start reading my tri-field meter seeing if there are any anomalies in the area.

509
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Natural radiation occurs.

510
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000
So you just look for like a baseline, see if the whole area is generating.

511
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,000
If you have a spike at the site, that's what we have to do cognizant of.

512
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,000
I'm not getting anything at all.

513
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Not even right over here by the stick, which is where Manu pointed out to us that he found the fourth mutilated calf.

514
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
I'm going to try to uncover the area and grow some samples.

515
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
There's a pretty big cow that was here.

516
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000
There's got to be some remains. Things just couldn't completely disappear.

517
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Okay guys, I'm actually getting a small spike over here.

518
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Hey guys, did you find something?

519
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Yeah, I did.

520
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Yeah, I did.

521
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
I'm going to try to uncover the area and grow some samples.

522
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Hey guys, Jelan, Larry, did you find something?

523
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Yeah, I did.

524
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
I found a bone from the cattle.

525
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
Oh wow.

526
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000
It's not even touched his bone.

527
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Excellent. We got these samples.

528
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Let's get out from under here guys.

529
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Skeptics believe cattle mutilations are a result of either a man-made hoax or a natural predator attack.

530
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,000
If it's a man-made hoax, how do they do this overnight without leaving any trace evidence behind?

531
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,000
To help uncover this mystery, we enlisted the help of a local veterinarian, Dr. Amy Mason.

532
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,000
She's going to be performing an actual mutilation on a real dead cow.

533
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000
We need to have all these cameras set up so we can document everything to do with this recreation.

534
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,000
We're going to set up two of our cameras so we can document this experiment from beginning to end.

535
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:47,000
It's good to be able to try to recreate this as close as possible to the mutilation on mine and whales property.

536
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
I think this is probably our vet.

537
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Dr. Mason.

538
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Hey.

539
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Dr. Mason let us know that the cow has died of natural causes and it's gone ahead and registered our experiment with the American Humane Society.

540
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:10,000
We've also promised that after the experiments, this calf will then be moved to the wolf sanctuary so that it does not go to waste.

541
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:17,000
She's going to help us try to replicate the evidence that we found with the mutilated cattle, which shows very precise incisions.

542
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Now on the edges of some of these incisions appear to be burn marks.

543
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,000
We're hopeful that by using an electric cauterizer, we can mimic some of these same results.

544
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Let's try this. Let's go right for what this is. It's coming up like this.

545
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
There it goes.

546
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
You can see though how long it would take.

547
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Yeah.

548
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Almost an inch thick.

549
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Yep.

550
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
So this isn't something that someone can easily and quickly do.

551
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
No.

552
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,000
And you know from looking at how it does burn the edges a bit of the flesh, I mean it's cauterizing it.

553
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,000
So if there was a blood flow, it could seal those vessels with a bunch of bleeding.

554
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Yeah, I am noticing that there is no blood.

555
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000
There is no blood.

556
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Dr. Mason first used the cauterizer.

557
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,000
It started to look very similar, very clean, precise cuts.

558
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:29,000
The only drawback from that is one, you need an electric source and two, it just took forever.

559
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,000
I'm not saying whoever did those weren't out there all night, but it is just very unlikely.

560
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Have you ever heard of a predator being able to make these types of cuts?

561
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Usually you'll see claw marks and bite marks and teeth marks and you'll see where they've left tracks and trails.

562
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
No, they're not neat.

563
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
This happened in 24 hours.

564
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Now where did the mess go?

565
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
The cauterizer didn't prove very practical in this sense.

566
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Maybe it was something portable that made the cuts.

567
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Possibly a laser.

568
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000
So a doctor, actually we have a laser.

569
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Maybe we can try to use that as make some precision cuts.

570
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
How's it going, doctor?

571
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
You know, I don't think it's cutting very well.

572
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000
With this laser, it would take an incredibly long time.

573
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
The laser wasn't effective at all.

574
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,000
If it wasn't a cauterizer or a laser, maybe it was something like a knife or a scalpel.

575
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000
It was a knife.

576
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Notice how the cuts ended up being a series of smaller cuts.

577
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:59,000
We can see that all the instruments that we've been using, none of them really exactly matched the photos that we've been looking at.

578
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
The blades cut through easier.

579
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:08,000
The cauterizer leaves the slight carbonization at the tissue's edge and the laser isn't satisfactory at all.

580
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,000
I don't think that there's a person capable to clean out a carcass like the pictures that we saw.

581
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
The carcass was completely cleaned out.

582
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
The weight of any meat, any organ material, any vessels.

583
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
You know, I just don't believe that a person would be able to do that.

584
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,000
If people aren't doing this, maybe it is a result of animal attacks.

585
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,000
To test this theory, we're going to leave the carcass out overnight to see if it attracts either predators or scavengers.

586
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:53,000
The fact that San Luis has had five accounts of UFO sightings reported since 1996 and Manuel Sanchez, the rancher, has actually said that he saw lights in the sky before he found his last mutilated cattle.

587
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Makes me think that there might be a correlation between whismacine in the sky and what they're finding mutilated on the ground.

588
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,000
So instead of just doing four cameras out into the field, I think we should put one skyward.

589
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Let's aim it northward.

590
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Alright, so base camp will stay here and then you guys will go out in the field.

591
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
It's a good idea. Let's just stay in radio contact with each other.

592
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Alright, so right now we have cameras looking this way.

593
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
One is here.

594
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Two is going to be diagonally through the street towards the river.

595
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Three is going to be boarded by the river on this end.

596
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000
And of course four we have in front of the car looking up.

597
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000
So we have eyes everywhere. Everything's being recorded.

598
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000
And I'm going to turn these on and we're going to go green.

599
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000
We see that over there? Where?

600
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Looks like something fell.

601
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
I want to go take a look.

602
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Alright.

603
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
What is that?

604
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
We have eyes everywhere. Everything's being recorded.

605
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
What is that?

606
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
I want to go take a look.

607
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Alright. What is it?

608
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
I can't tell.

609
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
That's just a log.

610
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000
I know that this place did have five reported instances since 1996.

611
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
So I'm hoping that we do see something in the sky.

612
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Manual did report seeing something.

613
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000
This is the path that they're taking.

614
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
We're actually on it right now.

615
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
The closer we get to them, they scatter.

616
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
If there is somebody doing these mutilations,

617
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
it would be extremely hard for them to actually get to these cattle

618
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
because they are so scared of those humans.

619
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000
I think we've scoured this whole area,

620
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000
but I don't think we're going to have a fresh mutilation

621
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
that we're going to see tonight.

622
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
We knew the chances were slim that we would encounter

623
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000
anything that could explain what's happening here in the Sanchez Ranch.

624
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Even if we spent months out here, there's no guarantee we get what we need.

625
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,000
In the morning, we're going to check the carcass and the footage

626
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
to see if it's attracted a predator or whatever it is

627
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
that's causing these mutilations.

628
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
Yesterday, we tried to recreate the cattle mutilation

629
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
as something being man-made, but we weren't very successful.

630
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000
And our nighttime investigation didn't reveal anything paranormal.

631
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
But an overnight camera did catch a bird feeding off the carcass.

632
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Perhaps these mutilation is uncaused by anything paranormal or man-made,

633
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000
but are a result of a more natural occurrence.

634
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
One of the theories on the mutilation of cows

635
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,000
on how the precise incisions get there is from natural bloating from within.

636
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000
So we have an experiment here to try to replicate that

637
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
and see if we can get those precise incisions.

638
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,000
So I have the new bladder here.

639
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
We're going to put that into the spot.

640
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000
And this is our large cow hide.

641
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000
One of the big differentiations between just a cow dying of natural causes

642
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,000
and the pasture and a cattle mutilation is the presence of surgical-like cuts

643
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
within the hide.

644
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,000
So what we've gone ahead and done is found consumer-grade cow hide.

645
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
And we've mounted it onto a large board.

646
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
And we've put a balloon in there that we can blow up with air

647
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,000
to mimic the natural gases expanding underneath the skin.

648
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Hopefully we can make that balloon blow up to the point that it would split the skin

649
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,000
and it would create these very surgical-like incisions within the hide.

650
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Okay, you guys ready?

651
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Yep.

652
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000
How many of you are?

653
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Here we go. Let's start.

654
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
It's blowing up pretty nice.

655
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
It is blowing up.

656
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
I see a tear for me.

657
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
It's ripping back here.

658
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000
It's ripping on this side.

659
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Are you getting that? You see it? Yeah.

660
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
That's really precise.

661
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Now one of the things that is a hallmark of some of these mutilation cases

662
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
is radioactivity in the area.

663
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Believe it or not, there was a slight trace of radioactivity

664
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
right where the mutilated cow was found.

665
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000
We decided we would do our darners to fan out and look for any trace evidence.

666
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
But it was right under the tree where we found a single bone.

667
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:04,000
We had it analyzed by Dr. Thomas Wade, who is the director of Zoological Studies at UCLA.

668
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,000
And it came back completely normal.

669
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Although it was a cow bone, we thought maybe it was from the fourth mutilation.

670
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
There was nothing unusual about it.

671
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
We were actually lucky enough to find a cow that had died of natural causes

672
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000
and we contacted a local veterinary surgeon, Dr. Mason.

673
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,000
She came out to help us try to replicate these mutilations.

674
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,000
She used a cauterizer, a sharp knife and a high-powered laser.

675
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000
But it made too big of a mess and it was just way too slow.

676
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:38,000
So we came to the determination if a trained professional couldn't do this, nobody else could either.

677
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,000
So now that we have this carcass, we thought why not put a camera on it and watch it overnight?

678
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
The footage that we got of the cow that we left out

679
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000
showed that there were a lot of birds preying on this carcass.

680
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
So we thought, okay, that pointed us towards natural theories, natural occurrence theories.

681
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
So we had to start looking at that.

682
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
So we thought why not do a bloat test?

683
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,000
A lot of theories out there say that these animals that died, their natural gases within their bodies

684
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,000
actually caused their skin to expand and bloat and then rip and look like surgical incisions.

685
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
So for us to mimic that, we went ahead and got a shammy

686
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000
and we started expanding that to see if we can get the same results.

687
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
And you've got to take a look at this.

688
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,000
It's ripping.

689
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Almost in a straight line.

690
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
It actually seems to follow just the shape of the bladder.

691
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,000
And when we actually did the mutilation with Dr. Amy Mason,

692
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000
we noticed that the organs underneath the skin also have that curvature.

693
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,000
When the organs inflate, it makes a curved hair.

694
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000
I know that cows generate a lot of methane and other gases inside,

695
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
so I could see that being a factor.

696
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,000
You guys think this is possibly what caused this animal to rupture in that way?

697
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,000
Definitely, because even with a calf that we were using that was only dead for about 24 hours

698
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
when we started our experimentation, had already begun bloating.

699
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
And Dr. Amy Mason actually pointed that out to us.

700
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,000
So what we're trying to say is this case doesn't look like it's paranormal.

701
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Given the indicators of the bloat test and how the scavengers were picking on the carcass posthumously,

702
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
I would say that it is a natural phenomena.

703
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
It's a very plausible explanation that this was a natural occurrence.

704
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
I say this case is closed.